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From: Trendy Guest Posted: 2005-06-02 21:38:00	Reply Quote
Anyone know how far above the level cap u need to be in order to make alot of +1 on a regular basis?

From: Maudib Guest Posted: 2005-06-03 11:37:38	Reply Quote
HQ Rates are based on how many level you are over the level cap of the target item you synth: 11 over cap 1/12 31 over cap 4/12 51 over cap 6/12 71 over cap 8/12 Remember that you can push your level with Advanced Synth support to get over the cap. These are just approximates, you may aswell break a synth at 51 over but it happens not very often. Muadib

From: Arne Registered User Posted: 2005-06-07 12:33:43	Reply Quote
Quote from: Maudib 71 over cap 8/12 Where did you get this information? I have only seen reliable info for HQ tiers up to 51+ but not an additional one at 71 nor have I even read a discussion about it. Not trying to say it doesn't exist, but just want to know more.

From: Dora-from-pandy
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Posted: 2005-06-07 22:57:59

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Ahh... this makes sense now and seems to hold true from what little I've seen. For the longest time (till now basically) I was perplexed as to how a person could be getting 70% HQ rate on Shihei. I've seen him HQ much higher than 50% rate many many times and the 2 times I actually kept track it averaged about 65% or so (not far off from the 2/3rd's rate). Now this makes sense. Shihei is a level 29 synth, this taru had both pieces of GP gear to up his skill and I'd imagine he could have had some woodworking moghancement to boot. Even without the moghancement he could have been at 101 skill and getting the 8/12 HQ rate. I'll have to test this out with some low level cooking recipes as I have 96.6 cooking skill now, I should be able to 2/3 any level 25 or lower recipe.

From: Arne Registered User Posted: 2005-06-08 10:35:16	Reply Quote
With all the variables involved in synthing and (in my case cooking), I can tell you you can break 60%+ consistently on a 51+/50% HQ cap. I can consistantly hit a 66% - 72% HQ rate on one particular synth and I am only 54 levels above the cap. That rate is based on the unconfirmed theories of direction, day and moon phase. I'd love to see data that shows an increase in HQ at 71+ cap.

From: Muadib Guest Posted: 2005-06-09 13:54:48	Reply Quote
For the 71 Tier i can only reference discussions i had with other crafters. Some said it is there some others mentioned that the further you are above the 51 Tier the more HQ you see and it increases very slow. Also HQ2/HQ3 are more frequent the further you are above the 51 Tier. This has to be tested to get a 100% confirmation. So for now treat it as unconfirmed. Muadib

From: Muadib
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Posted: 2005-06-09 14:03:07

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One other thing i like to add is the discussions about the crystal you use for the synth. This refers to the crystal you receive when you join the guild. I have got hints that the HQ rate on these synths are noticable higher than for other crystals used for the same guild.

How you treat that information is up to you. I am not saying this is true and i will not argue over it. I am just passing this on and you can test it yourself.

Muadib

From: Arne
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Posted: 2005-06-09 17:26:34

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For the 71 Tier i can only reference discussions i had with other crafters. Some said it is there some others mentioned that the further you are above the 51 Tier the more HQ you see and it increases very slow. Also HQ2/HQ3 are more frequent the further you are above the 51 Tier.

This has to be tested to get a 100% confirmation. So for now treat it as unconfirmed.

Obviously I'm not trying to argue either. Any unknown info is worth looking into until proven otherwise.

I'm actually trying a 71+ set of synths tracking HQ1/HQ2/HQ3 to see if I can get some data to share. At least it's cheap!
Unfortunately I've only done 12 synths to date with really horrible results (my 51+ synth has a better rate over any random pick of 12 consecutive synths) so I can't share anything of worth.

There is something that has been fairly decently documented in that, if you get a few more points beyond the 31/51/etc. cap, your incidence of HQ seems to go up a little bit more, but not significantly.

From: Muadib
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Posted: 2005-06-10 09:20:28

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The only thing i can definately confirm is that Day/Moon Phase do affect synths. In fact, those two affect almost everything in the game, spells, drop rates, fishing, mob strength even clamming.

I did some clamming, fishing and Uragnite hunting in Purgonorgo Isle recently. On a Full Moon (98%) Earthday every second item i clammed was a Igneous Rock, the rest was pebbles and a few jacknife. The next day (Watersday still Full Moon) i suddenly got only bibiki slugs, jacknife, fishscales, broken rods and assorted other sea creature items. Makes you think...

We did a BCNM40 (Flayer Franz - Worms) yesterday. We started end of Darksday, 1 run, chest was awefull. Firesday 3 Runs, 2 times crap, 1 time Erase + Ni. Earthsday, 2 runs, suddenly RNG did 20 less damage and we got Erase + Utsusemi: Ni and Erase. I know this is not enough data to proof anything. I wish we would had another Orb to do a third run on Earthsday. We will do this BCNM again starting on Earthsday and i will post details here.

I am currently looking into the Crystal-Guild relation idea. I will post as soon as i have some data. Looking forward to see your results.

Muadib

From: Shinseth Guest Posted: 2005-07-02 13:10:35	Reply Quote
OK i heard that if you face a certain direction while using a crystal the chance of HQing it will be higher. for example and this is not correct just to show what im tring to say: if u face north while using a earth crag. or south while using a fire crag, something like that. can anybody tell me if they heard that that is true?

From: Mooni
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Posted: 2005-07-07 02:27:34

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OK i heard that if you face a certain direction while using a crystal the chance of HQing it will be higher. for example and this is not correct just to show what im tring to say: if u face north while using a earth crag. or south while using a fire crag, something like that. can anybody tell me if they heard that that is true?

Yes this is true. I face west when synthing with a fire crystal, east with wind, etc.

From: Aurik
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Posted: 2005-07-07 03:56:50

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OK i heard that if you face a certain direction while using a crystal the chance of HQing it will be higher. for example and this is not correct just to show what im tring to say: if u face north while using a earth crag. or south while using a fire crag, something like that. can anybody tell me if they heard that that is true?

There is no conclusive evidence whether it is true or not.

From: Cuer
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Posted: 2005-07-07 06:27:54

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Just to toss in my thoughts on the subject:

As mentioned above, it has yet to be proven whether or not facing a certain direction helps with crafting (whether it be skillups, HQ, etc.) I tend to believe that it does not help in any way, for three reasons:

1) No serious proof -- People love to see patterns where they don't exist, so they devise "proof" off of happenstance. We know that 95% of the results from crafting are derived from two variables: skill, and random luck. The other variables that have been shown to make some marginal improvements (moon phase and Vana'diel day) have been tested over a very long time, and even they mainly change things at the margins. Anyone who puts forth the idea that facing a certain direction helps with crafting (or anything else) has to show serious proof before being given any credibility.

2) It isn't on the Japanese boards/sites -- Most of the theories that turn out to be true have been beaten to death on the Japanese sites long before they show up on the English ones. It's just the way FFXI is, and probably will always be, given the extra official information available in Japanese. That's not to say that other players can't figure things out on their own, but new ideas are verified there, if they didn't originate there. I have yet to see Japanese crafting sites that talk about the direction that a crafter faces.

3) It's too easy to fake -- Everything known about crafting in FFXI so far is controlled on the server. The client knows absolutely nothing; you can stick in any item you want as ingredients in a recipe in the client, and it doesn't check or care. Only when it goes to the server does it decide if that's a valid recipe, and whether or not the crafting attempt was successful. All the known variables are controlled directly by the server (moon phase, day, crafting skill, Moghancement key items, etc.) Given all that, it would be odd if one could tweak the results of crafting just by facing a certain way in the client. (Going back to the earlier point, if this were the case we could expect to see Japanese windowers/tools that made the character face an exact direction, for crafting.) Now, S-E left far too much of the game open to hacking; the recent speed hacks have shown that. But it seems likely that all the variables involving crafting stay on the server, given what we know so far.

So, I don't think facing a direction helps a whit. Having said all that, this is a game that people play to enjoy: if you want to craft while facing a certain direction, or wearing a lucky ring, or waiting until the sun is directly overhead, go for it. People enjoy superstitions in real life, and there's no reason that they can't apply to MMOG as well. Just don't put theories out there as definite fact until they've met some semblance of testing.

On a related note, something mentioned earlier in the thread: the crystal you receive when you join a guild is exactly the same as any other crystal of that type. If it wasn't, you couldn't stack them together; there is also only one copy of a "Fire Crystal", for example, in the data files. So, I would chalk that up to myth as well.

-- Cuer

From: Uberfuzzy
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Posted: 2005-07-12 22:31:37

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