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Treasure Hunter +1 = only +1%???

From: Melphina
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Posted: 2006-01-25 22:02:08

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Ok I believe this topic is self explanatory, but I have taken the time to read several reports and parsings of people with the thief's knife and the general consensus is that it gives an additional +1% to drop rate. Note: This IS NOT an additional level of treasure hunter.

EXAMPLE: with random numbers pulled outta my rear.

Let's say a mob's drop rate of X item is 15%

With Treasure Hunter I at lvl 15 thief the drop rate of X item may become 22%

With Treasure hunter II at lvl 45 thief the drop rate of X item may become 30%

If this is the case then a thief lvl 70 with thief's knife would have a drop rate of 31% on X item

And also a thief lvl 75 with both assasin's hands and thief's knife would have a 32% drop rate on X item.
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There are reports of paarsings by people that haave shown this very result. And to add to this logic, many many items in game give "job ability" +1 stats. It is generally considered that almost all of them add 1% to its effects (IE Store TP +1 == +0.1 tp per swing; store TP + 5 == 0.5 tp per swing; double attack +1 == double attack happens 1% more often with it etc etc).

If this is the case then IMHO the thief's knife really is not worth the gil paid on most servers for it. Note: It is not what the item ACTUAllY does that makes it sell in the FFXI community its what people THINK it does. There have been several items that have had rumors started about them and people thought it was true so they paid more for it.

EXAMPLE 1: Blau dolch used to be very cheap because nobody knew what proced the latent effect. Once it was actually discovered how it worked and word got out the price skyrocketed. It always did the same thing, but it was the publics perception of it that set the price.

Anyways my point is that by the parsings and tests the "Treasure Hunter +1" effect is truly not godly at all. It's a little extra bonus but thats it. If you want to read more on it there are posts that have the actual parsed data in several thief forumns.

From: Coren
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Posted: 2006-01-26 13:26:33

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What you fail to realize is that with items like AF2 in outland dynamises that seem to have something like a 1% droprate, when you add 2% to that, you've just increased your chances by 200%. That's more than worth what is paid for thf knife. Given the absolutely horrendous drop rate in my own shell, the droprate seems to be closer to .5% or less (200 mobs, 1 drop, nice wasted 3 hours). Add 2% to that, and you get 400% increase.

Thf knife and ass. armlets may not help w/ silk thread drops, but on very low droprate items, its a godsend.

From: Sozu's Lover Guest Posted: 2006-01-27 11:24:58	Reply Quote
A thf in my LS has TH4 and got 2 siren hair's off Zuug. I would guess that it not only increases drop rates, but also it provides the ability that more than one of a certain drop.

From: F Guest Posted: 2006-01-28 21:09:21	Reply Quote
Theif's Knife has been parsed to be +10% to what the drop rate already is. So it doesn't double a 1% drop's chance of dropping, it makes the drop 1.1%. That's still crappy, and not worth anything more than a mil. It makes 10% drops 11% which is worth more but still nowhere near what it sells for.

From: Cat
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Posted: 2006-01-30 19:13:13

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What you fail to realize is that with items like AF2 in outland dynamises that seem to have something like a 1% droprate, when you add 2% to that, you've just increased your chances by 200%.

Notrly.

Say TH2 has a 30%+ droprate increase.

That 1% Drop rate in the outlands is now 1.3%.

With TH+2, you would have a 32% Droprate increase (for example).

That 1% Drop rate in the outlands is now 1.32%

Thats a mere 0.32% increase from no TH2, and a tiny 0.015% increase from a TH2 drop chance, not your proposed 200%.

From: Coren
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Posted: 2006-01-31 00:35:47

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Not to get in a flame war, but have you been to Dynamis? I have no idea who parsed that "+10%", but theres no way I believe having TH2 increases drops by .32% (much less .015% for armlets/knife). I've been to well over 100 dynamises, and any time we have no thf, drop rate is absolutely horrendous. To be fair the % error, even on 100 dynamises, will be really bad, so it's possible it's just coincidence. I'm inclined to think rare/ex items or items with an abysmal droprate, or even dynamis specifically, are affected differently by TH than something like Silk Threads or Spider Webs (both of which thfs like to parse to try to figure out TH).

From: Riflemage@Asura
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Posted: 2006-02-01 10:38:01

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Theif's Knife has been parsed to be +10% to what the drop rate already is. So it doesn't double a 1% drop's chance of dropping, it makes the drop 1.1%. That's still crappy, and not worth anything more than a mil. It makes 10% drops 11% which is worth more but still nowhere near what it sells for.

If you're going for items that drop from over-camped NMs and sell for over over 10-30 millions
(not being that seldom on asura /sigh)
and you increase the drop chance by 10%, that calculates a "worth" of about 1-3 millions.
(for thais one drop!)

->IF<- it really increases the chance of drops by 10%, that effect is simply INVALUABLE.

Think about it!
+10% of whatever you farm!
Hakutaku Eyes, Beehive Chips, EVERYTHING!

From: Riflemage@Asura
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Posted: 2006-02-01 10:47:52

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Anyway:

Due to that this discussion is based on data like what drops you got dynamis, you should consider:

WAS the THF in question in the same pt as the one who made the kill?

WAS a WS used to make the final strike?
WAS it a spell or normal damage that finished it off?

WERE the Dynamis-runs done on the same moon-phase?

When comparing data to each other, you have to be sure that the compared data is gathered under the right circumstances
(=under "labratory-conditions").
Be sure to consider every possible influence in your calculation.

I suggest you kill 100 bees without or so without WS/spells and repeat the procedure with the same % of moon.

If you want to claim a scientific approach to this matter, I suggest you gather some scientifically valuable (=comparable) data.

greetings
RDC

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Treasure Hunter +1 = only +1%???