Quote from: Dora-from-pandy Generally speaking I'm not a fan of PL. I don't recall ever asking for it and on more than one occassion I have turned down parties strictly because they had it. However, I will PL others in certain circumstances and will not turn down PL in other circumstances. For example, I have a friend who's desire it is to level his Samurai to 75 for that he needs warrior and thief leveled to 37 for the standard sub jobs. I will not PL those jobs for him as he is taking them quite a ways and needs to learn how to play them. But, I have PLed his monk. He is leveling monk cause it is a standard subjob for a warrior (as is thief, nin, and rng but those he's done already or will do on his own). He does not like monk as a job and has no intentions of leveling it further now that it's done. Leveling monk in parties will not teach him anything that he doesn't already know, nor will it help him play his warrior better. Another example would be in my linkshell. I am one of a small handful of people that DON'T have a job at 75. A significant number of people have more than one job that high and most people have at least 2 jobs with at least partial sets of AF. As a subjob for my main (rdm) I started leveling dark knight. I'd gotten it to 10 solo and hooked up with my LS for a dunes and qufim run. We had a pld, whm, rdm, sam, brd and myself. The pld, has whm, rdm, blm, thf, and warrior at 75. True this is his first real straight tanking job, but he does have some experience in that field since he's taken ninja to 37 as well. The whm has a plethora of DD jobs at 70+ with thf, nin and ranger at 75. This isn't their first mage job as they'd taken rdm and blm to 37 so even now leveling whm they have main healed before. The rdm has pld and nin to 75, but he's taken whm up to 25 at least and blm to 17 and rdm isn't much more than a melee with back up healing at these lower levels. The sam has 75 brd, and blm. They've taken ranger and monk to AF levels so this isn't much different for them than what they've done. The brd has a 75 whm, they are used to playing a support role and even with PL a bards job doesn't change much. Myself, my highest is a 74 rdm, with leveled thief, war, whm and blm subs. All told I stood the most to lose from having a PL, but all I missed out on was having to voke off of a mage occassionaly and I've done that enough leveling warrior. The DD aspect of my job doesn't really change. In this case PL basically didn't detract at all from what we needed to learn cause we alrady knew it or we were learning it anyway.
Quote from: Johny I don't like PLers. I won't disband a party cause someone passed by and saw a friend in PT and decided to help out. But pey for a PL ? <No Thanks> ! Once, a leader in Yuhtunga Jungle asked everyone to give some gil for a PLer... I laughted. And disbanded. I tend to say, excessive PLing is a major cause of n00bishness... God... when yo meet a PLD40/WAR20 who doesn't know what a Skillchain means and such... maybe you went through your early levels a bit too fast, don't you think ?
Quote from: Caessa Honestly I like being PLed. I have played every job to 20+ and after awhile of leveling in the dunes it gets tedious. I really enjoy the help. Now most people would think that after all that I'd be a bit noobish, but I have found that I am average at all the jobs. I understand how they are all meant to be played and I playthem accordingly. So in some situations PLing is a bad thing because of people who refuse to learn to play their job first. I say once you know how to play your job properly and are good at it, then you can get all the PLing you want. Until you can make a pt and get good exp without a PL, dont use a PL. On a side note for those un skillful in making pt's consider this. You need the best healer 1(WHM no exceptions) You need the best DD 1(BLM, although you MIGHT get by with a RDM in earlier lvls) You need a tank 1(PLD or NIN and if not go WAR) You need other DD's 2-3(RNG, DRK, SAM, DRG, etc. they are all good choises but the RNG does the most DMG by far, although the RNG can hardly take a hit so its your choice) If you cand find that last DD try a BRD, they enhance well...everything and reduce downtime. Hope that helps So yeah just get a nice foundation in the game then think about a PL. Or at least wait till dieing or lack of exp make u want to quit the game b4 getting a PL.
Quote from: Fin I PL responsibly. When I PL newer players, I consider myself an instructor as well, talking with them and teaching what I can about the position. I have also Pled groups that could not function on thier own. I will usuall help them until they are able to form a workable pt and sometimes even help recruit (never know which of my friends is bored and wanting to level that 20 pld they haven't played in awhile, lol). I agree with the view that PLing CAN make lazy or "n00bish" players. I also feel it is rude to presume anything from someone outside your pt. We DO NOT have to raise you. Nor just cause we are not doing anything do we have to PL. (*Note: I have gotten off a choco in the middle of a zone to raise, so don't think I am one of "those" people.)
Quote from: Ozulus I only think PL is useful in the Dunes....mostly is cause ppl don't have either enough mp (mages) or aren't comfortable yet with their new job... so having a FRIEND to help out is great... i never payed for a PL... when one of us (from LS) is in the Dunes there's always somebody willing to help out a bit tho only to reduce our downtime... not to tank... tank needs to learn how to tank, healer needs to learn how to heal, drk needs to learn not to die (i h8 drks that voke 1st for sata and turn on Last Resort and Souleater... jeez).... well what i mean is that a PL is fine (mostly only in the dunes) but just to help a little...
Quote from: Gasco I don't mind PL's that much, as long as they don't interfere too much. They can help keep the chains going while the WHM rests or compensate for a couple of less than best players in your PT (ie. tanks that have gimped gear, pullers that enjoy linking the whole area, or a Galka WHM with no MP boost...). Kinda off topic, but funny. We had a quasi-PL once - a RDM that was just about 10 lvls above us in CN. His job was to keep the tank and his friend in good health while the RDM in the party healed everyone else. Our party pulled a scorpion and were doing fine, then there was a 1 sec lag and next thing we know, our quasi-PL starts running away with the scorpion chasing after him! The weirder thing was that he somehow made his way UP the cliff from where the sacks were, so we couldn't give chase. He got pwned right before reaching zone... >.>